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Peter Gabriel
The eternal showman
Peter Gabriel, the legendary founder and lead vocalist of Genesis, doesn't do many gigs, but when he does, he offers proof that his appetite for musical, cultural and technological experimentation truly knows no bounds.
I met him for an exclusive interview at Sonoria, a three-day festival in Milan dedicated entirely to rock music. During a two-hour performance of outstanding music, Gabriel sang, danced and leapt about the stage, captivating the audience with a show that, as always, was much more than just a rock concert.
At the end of the show, he invited me to join him in his limousine. As we were driven to the airport, he talked to me about himself, his future plans, his commitment to working with Amnesty International to fight racism and social injustice, his passion for multimedia technology and the inside story behind Secret World Live , the album he was about to launch worldwide.
Do you think the end of apartheid in South Africa was a victory for rock music?
It was a victory for the South African people, but I do believe rock music played its part.
In what way?
I think that musicians did a lot to make people in Europe and America more aware of the problem. Take Biko , for example. I wrote that song to try and get politicians from as many countries as possible to continue their sanctions against South Africa and keep up the pressure. It's about doing small things; they might not change the world, but they make a difference and it's something we can all get involved in. Fighting injustice isn't always about big demonstrations or grand gestures.
What do you mean?
Let me give you an example. There are a couple of elderly ladies in the Midwest of the United States who annoy the hell out of people who inflict torture in Latin America. They spend all their time firing off letters to prison directors, one after another. Because they're so well-informed, their letters are often published prominently in the American newspapers. And it often just so happens that the political prisoners they mention in their letters are suddenly released, as if by magic! Thatâs what I mean when I talk about how little things can make a difference. Basically, the music we make is the same as one of their letters.
Your commitment to fighting racism is closely linked to the work of your Real World label, isnât it, which promotes world music?
Absolutely. It's given me immense satisfaction to bring such diverse musicians together from places as far apart as China, Africa, Russia and Indonesia. We've produced artists such as the Guo Brothers from China and Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan from Pakistan. I've taken so much inspiration from their work, as well as from other artists on the Real World label. The rhythms, the harmonies, the voices... I had already begun to head in that direction as early as 1982, when I organised the first WOMAD [World of Music, Arts and Dance] festival. The audience were able to take part in the event, playing on stage alongside groups from Africa. It was such a meaningful, life-affirming experience that the festival has since been held in other parts of the world, including Japan, Spain, Israel and France.
Is that why some people call you the âfather of world musicâ?
Real World and world music are commercial labels above everything else; we publish music from artists the world over so that their music can be heard the world over, on radio stations and in record stores. But I want the artists who record an album on my label to become famous in their own right. No one says âis this reggae?â any more; they say âis this Bob Marley?â. In time, I hope that no one who hears a song by one of my artists asks âis this world music?â
You've recently shown a great interest in multimedia technologies, and your interactive CD âXplora1â has really got people talking. How does all this fit in with the activities of Real World?
There's so much you can do on that CD, like choose tracks by each individual artist just by clicking on the album cover. But I want to see so much more of this kind of thing; interactivity is a great way of introducing people to music. Essentially, what Real World is trying to do is blend traditional, analogue music, if you will, with the new digital possibilities that modern technology gives us.
Are you saying that rock music itself isn't enough any more? That it needs some kind of interaction with the listener? Do you want everyone to play a part in creating the final product?
Not always. For example, I tend to listen to music in my car and I don't want to need a screen or a computer to do that. But when Iâm interested in an artist or I want to know more about them, where they come from, what they think, who they really are, thatâs when multimedia technology can offer me some relevant visual material. Basically, in the future I would like to see all CDs offering this dual functionality: you can either simply listen to them, or you can âexploreâ them. With Xplora1 , we wanted to create a little world in which people could move around, make choices and interact with the environment and the music. There's loads of things you can do on the CD. Like take a virtual tour of the Real World recording studios, get access to events like the Grammys or the WOMAD festival, listen to live tracks, learn about my career from the early days with Genesis until the present day, and even remix my songs to your heartâs content!
And also have a virtual rummage in your wardrobe, right?
Absolutely ( laughs ). You can have a rummage in Peter Gabriel's wardrobe!
All this seems light years away from your experience in Genesis. What has stayed the same since those days? Have you never wanted, for example, to do another rock opera like âThe Lamb Lies Down on Broadwayâ? Have you moved on from all that?
Good question. I think Iâm still interested in some of those ideas, but in a different way. In one way, the things I was trying to do during my final years with Genesis were linked to the idea of being multimedia. Itâs just that back then, sound perception was restricted by the technology of the time. Now, I want to go a lot further down that road.
Going back to your political and humanitarian activities, now that apartheid is over, what are your other causes célèbres? What global injustices are you looking to rail against?
There are loads. But right now, I think the most important thing is to help people get their voices heard. Everyone should be able to appear on TV or have access to means of communication such as fax machines or computers. Basically, I think we have a chance today to use network communication technology to better defend peopleâs human rights.
That's very interesting. Can you give a concrete example?
I want to set small, tangible goals. Like making sure a particular village has phone lines, twenty or thirty PCs, that kind of thing. You can set that kind of equipment up almost anywhere in the world - India, China, up a mountain, wherever... Within three or five years, the people living in these places could learn how to create, manage and process information. With just a little bit of hard work, we could transform the economies of many countries from being based on farming to being based on information. That would be a huge step.
So, what next for Peter Gabriel?
A holiday ( laughs ). Weâve been on tour for months. Weâve had the odd break, but I think I need to get away. On tour, there's always time pressure and the stress of travelling...and I don't get time to play any sport. I mean, I love to play tennis. As far as work is concerned, Iâm thinking about doing something similar to the interactive CD. I've just finished my new album, Secret World Live , which was recorded over the course of this long tour. Itâs an overview of my career to date, kind of like an anthology. The only track that hasnât been on one of my previous studio albums is Across The River . Basically, the album is also a way for me to thank all those people who have performed with me on this back-breaking tour. There's the usual suspects like Tony Levin and David Rhodes, but also Billy Cobham and Paula Cole, who accompanied me in Milan, Billy on the drums and Paula on vocals.
Do you have a dream?
I do. I wish there was already a United States of Europe.
Why?
Because it has become clear that small countries can no longer be important to the global economy. We need an organisation that protects their cultural identity and represents them on the world stage and the financial markets. In order to survive, and in particular to compete with places that can offer cheap manual labour, these countries need solid economic representation and a proper commercial union. We also need to stop dividing the world into two groups: the traditional Anglo-Saxon elite and poor countries that are there purely to be exploited. We should be celebrating the differences between people in each individual country, not trying to make everybody the same.
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Claudia Schiffer
The fairest of them all
She was the most beautiful and highly paid woman on earth, and probably also the most censored. âIâm the only model who's never been photographed toplessâ, she used to boast. Even her multi-million-dollar contract with Revlon forbade her from posing nude.
But everything changed when two Spanish photographers from the Korpa Agency lifted the veil, allowing the whole world to admire the legendary Claudia Schiffer's perfect breasts. The international press had a field day; only German weekly Bunte spared her blushes on the cover, and even they plastered the topless photos on a multi-page spread inside the magazine. Claudia protested furiously and announced she would be suing and seeking astronomical damages.
I had a couple of contacts in the fashion industry, so I decided to strike while the iron was hot and try to arrange an interview with her for the Italian weekly Panorama . It was certainly no cakewalk, but after dozens of phone calls and protracted negotiations with her obstructive agent, my persistence was rewarded in August 1993, when I was invited to interview Claudia on a family holiday in the Balearics.
This was a genuine scoop. Claudia had never previously spoken to the Italian press and I was the first journalist to be invited into the intimate family surroundings of her holiday home. This was the very place where the photos at the centre of the scandal had been taken: Port dâAndratx, an exclusive resort west of Palma on the island of Majorca, and the location for many years of a holiday home belonging to the Schiffer family.
In 1993, Claudia had a particularly good reason for heading down there to relax. She had just finished playing herself in a long film / documentary entitled Around Claudia Schiffer, directed by Claude Lelouch's former assistant director Daniel Ziskind and filmed in France, Germany and the United States. Filming had just ended, and TV stations the world over were scrambling to acquire the rights.
Just before I set off, I let it slip (probably not entirely by accident, if Iâm honest) to a rather wealthy friend whose family owned a renowned tool company that I was going to Palma de Majorca to meet Claudia. At which point my friend assured me I wouldnât need to book a hotel: âI've got a [magnificent hundred-foot sailing] yacht down there. There are five sailors and a cook swanning round Palma right now at my expense with nothing to do. At least if you head down there, theyâll have to work for their money! And youâll get to enjoy a nice little cruise from Palma down to Port dâAndratx!â
I didnât need a second invitation, and so on the day of the interview I stepped down off my buddy's yacht on to the marina at Port dâAndratx after a two-hour journey from Palma. Giving a cheery wave to the crew, I headed for Café de la Vista, a nice little spot opposite the throng of moored yachts, where I was scheduled to meet Claudia at three-thirty.
Surely no journalist had ever arrived for an interview in such style!
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I donât have to wait long before an Audi 100 with a Düsseldorf plate rolls up. Theyâre here. Two men are in the front, and on the back seat I can see her ever-present agent Aline Soulier. âWhere is she?â I wonder anxiously. Iâm not disappointed for long. A wavy-haired blonde appears from behind Aline and leans forward in her seat. âHi, Iâm Claudia,â she says, extending her hand and flashing me a smile. She's astoundingly beautiful, a mesmerising mix of Lolita and the Virgin Mary.
No one gets out of the car. âThere are paparazzi everywhere,â whispers Aline as we make the short journey to the family holiday home, a brick-red, single-storey villa. Leading the way, Claudia tells me I am the first reporter she has ever invited here, before introducing me to her family: âThis is my little brother, my sister Carolin, my mother.â Claudiaâs mother has a typically German look: short blonde hair, very refined and standing even taller than her five-foot-eleven daughter. Her father, a lawyer practising in Düsseldorf, is not here. Those in the know say he is the one who has orchestrated her success from the shadows, the man responsible for her fame as one of the worldâs most beautiful women.
It all started for you in a Düsseldorf night club, didnât it?
I was so young. One night, I was approached by the head of the Metropolitan agency, who asked me to work for him.
How did you react?
I said to him: âIf youâre being serious, you can talk to my parents tomorrow.â I mean, people try all sorts of different chat-up lines in clubs. That could easily have been another, and not a very original one at that...
Are you close to your family?
Very. As a family, we have our feet on the ground. My father is a lawyer and my mother helps him with the admin side of things. They haven't been changed by my success; it takes a lot to impress them. Of course, theyâre very proud of me, but to them it's just my job and they expect me to do it to the best of my ability.
Aren't your siblings jealous?
Of course not! Theyâre just proud of me, particularly my twelve-year-old brother. I have a sister whoâs 19 and goes to university, so there's no competition between her and me, and finally I have a twenty-year-old brother and we get on great.
Do you always come on holiday with them to Majorca?
I have done ever since I was very young. I love this place.
But now you're older, it looks like you find it hard just being able to go out for a walk around here...
You're right. There are paparazzi everywhere, hiding in plants; itâs embarrassing. Every move I make is observed, studied, photographed... Itâs not exactly a holiday if you look at it like that! (laughs ).
I suppose thatâs the price of fame...
Exactly. But I often go out on the boat with my mum and my brothers and sisters. I feel like they can't hassle me as much at sea.
Really?
Oh, you mean the topless shots? I honestly donât understand how that could have happened. I was out on the boat with my mum and my sister Carolin. We were anchored and taking the chance to soak up some sun. Peter Gabriel was also there. Heâs a dear friend of mine...
We saw...
Well, there you go. He was also in the photos. But Iâd rather not talk about it. Anyway, Iâve already instructed my lawyers to seek damages...
People say you'd like to become an actress.
Iâd like to give it a go, thatâs all. People keep offering me scripts, and the more I read the more I want to have a go... Right now Iâd love to do a film. I really would.
But you won't be appearing in Robert Altman's film Prêt-à -porter next year?
Itâs absolutely unbelievable. The press all over the world keep talking about it, but itâs categorically not true. Plus, I donât want to do a film where Iâm just playing myself.
If you had to choose between a supermodel and an actress, what would you be?
You can't be a model all your life. Itâs a career for really young girls and you can only do it for a few years, a bit like playing tennis or swimming. So you need to make hay while the sun shines. Afterwards, I'd also like to go to university and study art history.
You've always said you will defend your privacy at all costs. Isnât it a bit of a contradiction doing this documentary about your life, in your home, your parentsâ home?
I donât think so. The truly private moments will remain as such. In the film, you only see what I have consciously chosen to reveal: my family, my friends, my holidays, my hobbies... Basically, the things I love. And then there's also all the travelling around, the fashion shows, my photographers, the press conferences...
Do you live sometimes in Paris and sometimes in Monte Carlo?
Essentially, I live in Monte Carlo. I always go back there when Iâm not working, at weekends for example.
Does your agent travel everywhere with you?
Not normally. I need her when I have to work in countries that Iâm not familiar with. Like Argentina, Japan, Australia or South Africa. In those places, there are so many fans, reporters, paparazzi...
Does it get tedious travelling around so much?
No, because I love reading and a good book always makes the time pass more quickly, even on a plane. Plus, itâs my job; itâs not a holiday!
What sort of books do you read?
Mainly books about art. My favourite movements are Impressionism and Pop Art. I also really like history and reading biographies of great men and women. I read one on Christopher Columbus. It was incredible!
People have said youâre half Brigitte Bardot and half Romy Schneider. Do you think that's fair?
Yes, although not so much physically. Itâs more that I think I share certain aspects of their character and lifestyle... I find Bardot an extraordinary woman as well as incredibly beautiful. What a character! I also kind of worship Romy Schneider. I've seen all her films and it was just horrible when she died. Such a tragic life...
Apart from the tragic events, would you like to be the new Romy Schneider?
Wow, what a compliment! Being compared to all these beautiful women. Itâs really flattering, but above all I just want to do everything I can to be me.
What did you want to be when you were growing up?
I certainly didn't think I would become a model. I guess I wanted to be a lawyer.
Like your father?
Yeah, I was all set to go and work for his firm. And then all my plans changed. I realised this was too good an opportunity to turn down, so I grabbed it with both hands.
Your story is a bit of a fairytale for the modern ages. There must have been some tough times?
Oh, sure. But Iâm always confident in my own ability.
Whatâs your secret?
Plenty of discipline. And also being able to be around others. Iâm a people person. I like being able to think on my feet when Iâm facing a barrage of questions from reporters at a press conference. I see it as a challenge; it doesn't scare me.
Is it just about discipline?
You also need to stay level-headed. And thatâs where the way I was brought up comes in. My family have helped me a lot. They made me who I am: confident, pragmatic and well-balanced. I can stay in control even when Iâm out of my comfort zone. For example, itâs thanks to my parents that Iâm now able to speak in public without feeling shy.
If the media is anything to go by, you move pretty quickly from one relationship to another: one day itâs Prince Albert of Monaco, the next Julio Bocca. Who is the real Claudia?
The real Claudia is a girl who has lots of friends. Prince Albert is one of those, Julio Bocca is another. But thereâs also Plácido Domingo, Peter Gabriel and a load of other famous people. As soon as Iâm photographed with them, I have the entire worldâs press immediately claiming they're my boyfriend! Itâs not like that.
But do you eventually see yourself settling down, getting married, having kids?
Iâm absolutely ready to fall in love, the sooner the better. But I don't have a partner right now simply because Iâve not fallen in love with anyone.
What do you look for in a man?
I don't have an ideal type in terms of looks. The first thing I look for is personality, and sense of humour above everything. I need a man to charm me, to win me over with intelligence, with his mind. Someone who can teach me the true value of humour. I mean, you have to be able to laugh, don't you?
Sounds like a pretty demanding job being your boyfriend â¦
Anyone who is with a celebrity needs to be a strong character in their own right. I love men who have character but are also sensitive. If you want to be with me, you have to tolerate noise, intrusion, gossip, reporters...
Do you feel guilty at all?
What do you mean?
I mean, it seems like you have it all: beauty, fame, money...
I do feel lucky. I thank God and my parents for giving me the life I have. Thatâs why, when I can, I try to do something useful or helpful.
But it's not all sunshine and roses in the fashion world, is it? Thereâs drugs, alcohol, fierce rivalries...
Iâm not affected by drugs or alcohol. Jealousy, sure, but I donât really understand it. Models come in all shapes, sizes, personalities and mentalities, so I think there's room enough for everyone. And you donât have to be insanely beautiful. There's something beautiful about every woman. You just have to nurture it.
What do you need to make it big?
The main thing is character, because itâs not like there is a shortage of beautiful women in the world. After that, you need education, personality and discipline.
By that, do you also mean discipline when it comes to your diet?
Not really. I donât smoke and I don't drink, but thatâs only because neither thing appeals to me. I donât eat a lot of meat because I don't think itâs good for you, and Iâm careful about fats. But I love chocolate... Oh, and Fanta of course! (laughs ).
How are you with money?
Itâs not the be all and end all, but it will allow me to do what I want in the future. Money gives you freedom.
What does the word sex mean to you?
To me? (seems genuinely taken aback ).
Yes, to you.
Well, something that happens naturally between two people who are in love with each other. That's it.
Do you feel like you're a particularly sexual, or rather sensual, person?
Absolutely.
? yes!
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